Thank you Susan!


Chandra Cerrito / Art Advisors LLC
626 Costa Drive
Napa, California 94558
415.577.7537






On May 1, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Pontious, Susan (ART) <susan.pontious@sfgov.org> wrote:

Chandra,
Again I defer to my collection’s team, but in the situation you describe, I think we would list as follows (in accordance with our standard format)
 
Artist
Nationality, Dates
 
Title of Artwork
© Estate of Artist, Date (of completion)
Medium
 
For the purposes of a public identification plaque, I don’t think you need to go into more detail then that.
 
Susan Pontious
Civic Art Collection and Public Art Program Director
San Francisco Arts Commission
401 Van Ness Ave. #325
San Francisco, CA 94102
Direct: (415) 252-2241
FAX: 415-934-1022
 
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Thanks everyone for this conversation! 
 
I have a related question pertaining to signage.  I am assisting a client and the estate of an artist who passed away prior to finishing design development to help complete the design, fabrication and installation of 4 of the artist’s sculptures.  These are elements of a much larger artwork encompassing over a dozen large scale pieces that has always been planned in phases that track with construction of the development.  Very sadly, the artist passed soon after the installation of the first phase and before gearing up to finish the last few works for the last phase.  The basic design, scale, material, and method of fabrication, were already designed by the artist and align closely with 2 other sculptures fabricated and installed under the artist’s supervision, but specific design details were not yet determined.
 
It seems important to make a distinction regarding the artist attribution of these sculptures from other works by the artist.  I was considering something like:
 
Artist and Artist’s Estate
Title
Date
Medium
 
or
 
Artist (date of birth - date of death)
 and Artist’s Estate
Title
Date
Medium
 
I would love to hear from anyone who has suggestions about this.
 
Thank you!
Chandra
 
 
 
Chandra Cerrito / Art Advisors LLC
626 Costa Drive
Napa, California 94558
415.577.7537


 
 

 



On May 1, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Julia Muney Moore <jmoore@indyarts.org> wrote:
 
Great questions!   
 
Per policy, we feel that installation on site "completes" the artwork so we use the installation year as THE date of the artwork. However, some artists will prefer to list the entire period they worked on it (e.g., 2018-2020) and we will reflect that in our records and on signage if it's important to them.
 
It gets more complicated when works are relocated: in that case we note the year of original installation and the reinstallation date:  e.g. "2018, reinstalled 2020.".

Julia Muney Moore (she/her/hers)
Director of Public Art
 
924 N. Pennsylvania St.
Indianapolis, IN  46204
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On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:29 PM Bloom, Roberta <rbloom@auroragov.org> wrote:
Great question.  We use the installation date for the reasons you described.  Also, in terms of looking back, calculating maintenance costs over time, deterioration...using the date of design completion would impact estimates and expectations of many other things.  
 
But, the other issue you raised regarding restorations/re-fabrications is a good one.  Does anyone have a policy to share in that regard?
 
Roberta Bloom
Roberta Bloom, Public Art Coordinator
Department of Library and Cultural Services | City of Aurora
14949 E. Alameda Pkwy., Aurora, CO 80012
office 303.739.6747
 
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Hi All,
I'm catching up on long overdue plaques for the collection. 
 
I just had an interesting conversation with an artist and I thought I'd see if anyone else had as well - and where you might have landed.
 
When studying art history - the date of the artwork "typically" was the completion date. This can iterate different ways if a piece is refabricated, etc.
 
With our public art projects, artworks can be in design for years. Or it can be years between the final design and the actual fabrication installation.
 
Generally I put the installation year as the date on plaques, because that has generally aligned to the artist's completion of fabrication, which I would argue typically involves, or at least allows for some level of design input and potential changes to the final product in the final material.
 
The conversation with the artist was that they had finished their design in 2018 and were awaiting fabrication as part of base project, which will be done by others (though the artist will have oversight and ability to make changes as needed - fwiw).
 
They want a durational date 2018-2021.
 
I understand the 2018 date places the work in the artist's chronology along other works of 2018, and also reflects the date of the final work. But this a bit also seems like dating a painting from when a canvas is primed until it is called complete by the artist.
 
I have no issue dating it the way the artist has requested, just curious if others have gone down this rabbit hole.
 
OK - I'm really just trying to create a distraction for everyone on a Friday.
 
Thanks everyone
 
Jennifer A. Easton
she/her
Art Program Manager
SFBART
 
510.821.3024 mobile
 
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