I’ve been researching coatings for murals and came across a very good research “paper” from a while back, but the information is still good.  It answered a lot of questions for me.  Here’s a link: http://www.bikemural.org/muralprotection.html.     

 

Also, Julia or anyone…

 

With regard to the wax-based sacrificial coating, how hot does it get there?  I’m worried about a wax-based sacrificial coating becoming sticky of melting off on a hot aluminum traffic signal box in Texas.

 

Can anyone – especially in hot climates - share about their experience using wax-based sacrificial coatings on traffic signal boxes or walls?

 

Thanks.

 

Tammy Chan

Public Art Coordinator

1102 MacArthur Blvd.

Grand Prairie, TX  75050

972-237-8159 Office

214-212-7958 Cell

tchan@gptx.org

 

From: public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com [mailto:public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com] On Behalf Of Julia Muney Moore
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:31 PM
To: public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com
Subject: Re: Anti-graffiti coatings on painted retaining walls

 

Wax-based sacrificial coatings are best used on non-porous substrates that don’t need to breathe.  We use them on our painted (metal) traffic signal control boxes:  since these projects are considered temporary and need to be repainted when their 3-5 year life is over, we can easily remove the wax and repaint the box at the end of the life of the artwork. Non-sacrificial coatings require way more work to remove and repaint. It’s also really easy for communities to maintain their own boxes using a sacrificial product—the damage comes off easily, and a few sprays of product from a handheld bottle recoats the area without having to do the entire box.

 

Julia Muney Moore
Director of Public Art

Arts Council of Indianapolis
924 N. Pennsylvania St.
Indianapolis, IN  46204
o (317) 631-3301 x240
m (317) 332-8382
e jmoore@indyarts.org

 

 



 

 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:19 AM, David Fichter <muralista@earthlink.net> wrote:



My experience of painting exterior wall murals over 35 years is very similar to that of Jon and CPAG. Any paint, primer, varnish or anti-graffiti product that creates a permanent sealed barrier, will trap moisture and lead to problems. The wall must breathe. I have found that applying Golden MSA varnish which is somewhat removable to the bottom 6 ft of the wall, while leaving the rest of the wall uncoated, will allow you to remove graffiti at the bottom while keeping the rest of the wall breathable. In my experience there are no perfect solutions but immediate removal of graffiti is essential. 

 

Removing Golden MSA varnish (with paint thinner and xylene) also removes the graffiti on top but it is difficult if there are a lot of crevices and holes. Also you have to revarnish the area with more MSA every time. The varnish is pricey. Sometimes the graffiti will just come off with isopropyl

alcohol which doesn’t affect the varnish. The varnish is very tough. 

But stay away from wax based anti-graffiti products if they are still out there.

Best wishes

David Fichter

www.davidfichter.com

 

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On Jan 5, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Jon <pounds.jon@gmail.com> wrote:

I recommend checking this out further. Rain that falls at the top/behind the wall will travel horizontally- and potentially out the seams of the MSC. If there is a liner on the back of the wall- good, not perfect protection. If the soil behind the wall is lots of stone and gravel- good. Water will travel to the bottom of the stone/gravel before going much horizontal. 

But, in chicago, its soil. Humidity saturates the soil and then travels through the wall to be Free(!) This humidity will push off/through not permeable pigments and primers.

J

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On Jan 5, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Lange, Christopher <clange@ci.charlotte.nc.us> wrote:

Thanks Jon. These aren’t murals per se but large painted MSE walls for light rail with colors and form liners chosen by the artist. Some type of fill/stone is surely behind them.

 

Chris Lange

Art-in-Transit Program Administrator

Charlotte Area Transit System (CATS)

600 East Fourth Street Charlotte, NC 28202

P. 704-432-2391 / ridetransit.org

 

From: public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com [mailto:public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com] On Behalf Of Pontious, Susan (ART)
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 12:50 PM
To: public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com
Subject: RE: Anti-graffiti coatings on painted retaining walls

 

Dearest HWWODOCPAG,

Oh, venerable one, please don’t tantalize us with your knowledge; what are the techniques you have used to reduce/eliminate graffiti on murals?  I agree that coatings are not the necessarily the solution. 

 

Susan Pontious

Program Director

Civic Art Collection and Public Art Program

San Francisco Arts Commission

401 Van Ness, Suite 325

San Francisco, CA 94102

Phone:  415-252-2241

 

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San Francisco, CA 94102

 

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From: public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com [mailto:public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com] On Behalf Of Jon Pounds
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:37 AM
To: public_art_network@americansforthearts.simplelists.com
Subject: Re: Anti-graffiti coatings on painted retaining walls

 

Do the retaining walls have soil/rainwater behind them? Chicago experience is that you want/need a breathable primer in those cases. i.e. gesso breathes much better than polys or epoxies.

There are other techniques (developed over years of conscious attention) that  have been very effective in reducing/eliminating graf on murals (at least in Chicago). Many of our murals don't even have coatings on top of the color - the fewer the layers of paint applied, the better the wall will breathe.

Jon Pounds - HWWODOCPAG

 He Who Was Once Director Of Chicago Public Art Group

 

On 1/4/18 7:58 AM, Lange, Christopher wrote:

Hello PAN ListServ,

 

We are looking for recommendations of anti-graffiti coatings on painted retaining walls that use a two part Sherwin Williams system of Macropoxy 646 (primer) and Acrolon 218 Polyurethane. If any of you have any products you’ve had success with in the past in this type of application that doesn’t affect the finished wall color, please share.

 

Thank you,

 

Chris Lange

Art-in-Transit Program Administrator

Charlotte Area Transit System (CATS)

600 East Fourth Street Charlotte, NC 28202

P. 704-432-2391 / ridetransit.org

 

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