On February 15, 2018 at 8:32:55 AM, Lynn Basa (lynnbasa@lynnbasa.com) wrote:
Since there have been so few VARA lawsuits won on behalf of artists, I want to be sure I understand the implications of this.
1) Even though it was private property that had been illegally painted, the owner still lost? Didn't he have a right to cover it whether some people considered it Art or not?2) How was the value of the damages to the artists figured? Did their work have resale value?I've read the articles and part of the court statement, but I'm still scratching my head over it.Best,Lynn Basa
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Sarah Odenkirk <sarah@artlawlawyer.com> wrote:
You can see the ruling here:It also seems that the judge was at least swayed by the way in which the parties conducted themselves during the course of litigation. This is an important lesson for all and a clear reminder that it is almost never just about the letter of the law!
Best,Sarah
On February 14, 2018 at 5:34:23 PM, Pontious, Susan (ART) (susan.pontious@sfgov.org) wrote:
I agree with Sarah; a ruling like this could really backfire. It also seems, under the circumstances, unfair and I wonder if it will be appealed. Of course, had the building owner understood VARA, the owner could have given the artists 90 days notice and then removed the artwork as VARA allows. VARA does not prevent the removal of architecturally integrated works, like murals, it merely requires giving notice before you do it. But most property owners never heard of VARA or Calif. Art Preservation Act (CAPA) in Calif., so don’t know what their responsibilities and rights are in this regard. Additionally, these properties can be sold, come under new management, etc. so that even if the original owner was aware of CAPA/VARA requirements, that information might not be passed along to new management.
CAPA and VARA were laws written to protect artists moral rights but artists also have the moral responsibility to make sure that the property owners knows their exposure under the law. I know Sarah will agree with me when I say that ideally, there should be a written agreement between the artist and property owner that addresses issues like removal and the artist’s rights under VARA. .
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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: VARA settlement for graffiti in NYC
Agreed Sarah – We’ve had several new building owners in this last year feel that they were held hostage by a piece of artwork they didn’t realize would so impact what they could do with the building when they bought it. In both cases the businesses were actually very pro art and artists and totally willing to work with the artists but in both cases the artists pursued lawsuits and, as lawyers do (though not you, Sarah, right? J), they sent really inflammatory hyperbolic demands and demanded huge sums of money. What pains me is that the artists don’t seem to realize that if they push these things too hard, there won’t be ANY building owners that will want to give up their walls for murals in the future! It will stop private property owners from feeling that allowing murals on their buildings is worth it. Furthermore, the locals are greatly astonished and offended – the court of public opinion doesn’t see this as reasonable. Maybe that’s a calculation the artist makes and they don’t care – maybe they don’t want a long-term relationship with people in a certain locale and they plan to move on – but in a small town like ours – this gives the artist a bad reputation.
The bottom line is that sometimes there is a boomerang effect with laws that are too extreme –creating the opposite effect than what is actually intended.
Beth
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Subject: Re: VARA settlement for graffiti in NYC
While I understand your reasons for cheering, you should do so with caution. On the one hand, this ruling provides some much-needed protection to artists. On the other hand, it could make the task of deaccessioning more complex for public art programs. I am in the process of reading the entire decision and talking with legal colleagues to get a feel for what impact this might have going forward. I would be happy to discuss the implications of this ruling with anyone who is interested.
Between this ruling and the Oakland percent for art ruling, it’s been a massive week for establishing legal precedent for public art!!
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On February 14, 2018 at 2:06:54 PM, Julia Muney Moore (jmoore@indyarts.org) wrote:
We were all cheering this in our office!
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On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Beth Tobey <btobey@cityofsantacruz.com> wrote:
This is worth reading and sharing with your colleagues. Heavy price tag for VARA violations with regards to art of “recognized stature”– even if graffiti.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/
02/12/nyregion/5pointz- graffiti-judgment.html
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